Saturday, August 13, 2011
Please Don't Abuse Your Guildies
I don't have a great computer. It was pretty awesome about 3 or 4 years ago but now it is barely able to keep up. For WoW this means low FPS and long load times. I don't do 25 mans because the video lag is so bad. Hell, some 10 mans are unplayable.
Occasionally when I log on, as soon as the load screen disappears and I can see my character, I will notice other players attempting to interact with me. Might be a group invite, or a wsp, or some guild chat comment.
Such was the case last Saturday afternoon when I logged my Warlock, Teimsar. He is a max Scribe/Tailor, and it was time to restock some Spellthread and bag options.
So, as soon as I can see my player, there is a wsp directed at me. Went something like this:
Other player: Teimsar?!? You there?
Teimsar: sorry, just logged on. what's up?
Other Player: will you help me or not?
Apparently before my load screen disappeared this player had been requesting some help. I checked the player's name. I didn't recognize it, so shift+click on the name, and sure enough, it was a guildie. I had never talked with this guy. Maybe an alt?
Teimsar: not sure, lol--what do you need?
Other Player: milling. i need you to mill some stuff for me--lots of herbs
Teimsar: sorry, i'm only on for a few--check mail, make some bags--then i have to log
Other Player: crap, thought guildies were supposed to help each other, nvm
I was a bit miffed. I don't know why--demanding rather than requesting help, the private tell instead of using guild chat, the urgency implied in the message, or maybe the disapproving tone at the end. Sure, guildies are supposed to help each other out, but not at the drop of a hat.
When helping is inconvenient or otherwise unreasonable guildies should say so.
This request seemed to be both inconvenient and unreasonable. Milling takes longer than just about anything. Since it requires a single click per action you have to sit at the keyboard and spam a macro. No AFK milling like say, AFK ink production or bag crafting.
I still didn't know how this player knew I was a Scribe. However, looking at the Guild Roster, I suddenly realized that he must have used the "Professions" tab. I did the same, looking at his profs.
What do you know? He was a Scribe too.
Teimsar: Aren't you a Scribe? Can't you mill?
Other Player: yeah, but these herbs are too high level for me and i don't have time to level it
Let me get this straight: you are a Scribe but can't mill the herbs you have on hand. Rather than take the time to become self sufficient, you want to ask a guild mate to do your dirty work? Not only that, but you don't even ask--you assume that everyone in the guild is just sitting around waiting for you to need some help?
I really wanted to examine the scope of this Other Player's request.
Teimsar: oh, maybe you should just level it up so you don't have to ask for help. What herbs do you have and how many?
72 stacks of Whiptail? Plus, apparently too many stacks of Cinderbloom to count??
He was nowhere near high enough to visit areas where this could be gathered. That meant it was either an alt or these herbs had been purchased. Either way the request really set me off.
My reply basically went something like this:
Teimsar: dude, suck it up, level your profession and mill your own damn herbs. expecting a guildie to spend a shitload of time doing it for you is unreasonable. not only that, but you are fucking rude. learn how to ASK if someone will help you. idk if I would have helped if you had asked but at least i wouldn't be pissed off.
I didn't get a reply and logged soon after. I haven't heard anything from guild leadership but I did report this incident via in-game mail to the GM just to make sure he got my side of the story. Better safe than sorry I figured.
Readers might think "this was some isolated issue, you over-reacted".
I don't think so. There is a lesson here.
First, there have been a ton of inappropriate guild requests lately. Players asking in guild chat for loans and even for gear. Our policy has always been to disallow begging in guild chat. Other guildies have told me that when an officer enforces the 'don't ask for gold' rule, the requests just go underground, straight into private tells.
I have had guildies ask for gem cuts--which I will do, no question. Send me the gem and I'll cut it and mail it back. We have instant mail for our guild level so its faster than trading. On more than a few occasions the guildie has said he doesn't have the raw gem--do I have any extras?
No, I'm not giving away free gems today.
Second, this guildie abuse has happened elsewhere, also with some frequency. My non-guildie friends have shared similar situations in their guilds. In fact, it was only after a robust discussion among 4 of us--all in different guilds--that I decided to post this at all.
A friend told me about a guildie who sent him a bunch of cloth via mail with a note, please make me bags. I guess no need to really ASK for help in that instance, though I still think a note first would have been better--"hey, mind if I send you some cloth for bags? Whenever you get to it is fine." Or even, "sorry you are never on when I am. I really need bags. Here is some cloth, if you don't mind".
However, he wanted Frostweave bags. He sent enough cloth for 2 bags, but didn't include the Infinite Dust needed for the Imbued Frostweave. When my friend returned the mail and said "you need 24 Infinite Dust", he got the same cloth sent back with a note that said "thought you were an Enchanter? Don't you have any?"
Last, if your guild has a policy in place about guildies helping each other and/or guidelines on how they should ask, I'm interested in hearing from you. If you are a guild officer and don't have a set of rules for this, I strongly encourage you to draft a new set of guidelines.
Posted by Kammler at 7:47 AM